So um but you so you got into it
pretty much at the like beginning of the
internet so you’ve been doing that for a
long time right yeah
uh how far has web development
come because oh man you have no idea
yeah
something that used to take me maybe
five days to do i can do now in five
minutes instead
everything the speed cause you see like
at the time um
that old slow internet dial up with the
modems that make noise
and you’d wait for three four minutes
before any page becomes available even
though those pages only had text and
images there was nothing
yeah today we’re watching netflix and
you’re sitting home and you’re watching
like a full movie on your couch
and you don’t think behind like how is
this made available like you know
what the servers that are actually
streaming this how strong they are
how secure they must be the bandwidth
that you have in your house and the
bandwidth that they have and netflix
like these things interest me i know
they’re boring for most people but like
i always want to know like how do you
make this possible how do you have an
app anybody like how do you have an app
you click on the phone and you can
transact
right away and it’s like what yeah
that’s insane
especially in the amount of time just
the boom in the last 20 years
yeah is insane and it’s every couple
years it just keeps on getting more and
more crazy
um what would be like the biggest
mistake you see people making with their
business websites
the biggest mistake would be not to have
a goal for the website like
a lot of people think a website
is something that looks good which is of
course you don’t want your website to be
ugly
but it has to have a job like you
if you invest ten dollars on your
website it has to do something
and if you invest ten thousand dollars
it has to do something so either way
first before if you most people you know
if you’re starting out for example you
have an idea and you want to build a
website
before building the website get a piece
of paper
write down what the goal of the website
what you wanted to do
for you first so many people would say
oh
sales we want more leads from the
website
great now think about what
should it do to the website visitor
so for the visitor to give you their
phone number
and email or name and email what are
they gonna get
right so you have to have one of these
uh we like
in the industry we call them call to
actions which is a button that’s
clickable or something
but you need to have a lead magnet so
something on the website
that entices the user or the visitor
like they’re getting a piece of
information
that they will not find elsewhere
something unique they’re downloading a
report
or or you know they’re some people say
yeah subscribe to my newsletter but if i
don’t know you i’m not gonna like if i’m
coming to this website for the first
time
yeah i’m not gonna subscribe to your
newsletter i like i don’t know
if you’re gonna spam me or if you’re
gonna send me an email every day or or
not like i have no idea
but if there’s a report or something of
value a downloadable
of some sort that i could not find
elsewhere
and that is of interest to me yeah i’m
gonna give you my name and my email to
get that report that’s fine so that’s
the
magnet and many people think
we just put the website there and it let
it do its job like
if you build it there will come that
doesn’t work anymore
you you have to actually build it with
purpose
the the second thing which is something
that very recently google started to pay
attention
uh about is the loading speed
so forever people didn’t care about how
long their website
took to load the home page specifically
and now google will penalize you if it
takes more than 2.5 seconds
so in google’s seo algorithm they also
check
how long it takes to load and now people
started to realize that
websites are taking like i don’t know
nine seconds
more eight five whatever but not 2.5 or
less
and and that’s a problem and the biggest
problem with that
is because you’re only looking at the
aesthetics of it and the look and feel
you could bog down the website with
huge images that take forever to load
yeah and i’m not saying don’t use them
by all means
your website should look great but these
images they need to be proficiently
treated before they go on
so like resized compressed in a way that
they actually
load faster and these are like the two
main
issues that if you do today you’re gonna
have a better
result on your website uh with like
website developers now like back in the
day you really need to know html like
you needed to know it like you said or
javascript
now people can sign up yeah no we’re
lazy we don’t do that anymore yeah which
one’s your favorite
tell me what one is your favorite to use
or i love wordpress generally speaking i
learned it in 2009 and i just found my
way through
bits and pieces in wordpress and at the
time
i would probably not build everything
on wordpress i would still code some you
know
some of the stuff and wordpress wasn’t
as strong back then as it is right now
but right now pretty much like i really
have to look at code anymore
like if you know html and cascading
style sheets or css
your job is so much easier anyway you
know when you look at
code and and fix things because there
are still
some things that are way easier like
you know if you can go and change one
word in the code
in a second or do 10 clicks in wordpress
to reach the area where you make the
change
you know visually without coding yeah so
yeah if you have this knowledge
it helps but if you don’t it doesn’t
matter you can still be a web designer
yeah well like we were talking about
earlier off camera was uh
like just business owners and ceos and
people doing their own
websites and uh why do you think they’re
doing that like
why i’d love to know so what uh
i i i was intrigued uh because i
i’m a member like all of us on some
business groups on facebook
and one of the biggest business groups
that i’m a member of
i always see people complaining about
web designers
so it does look like web designers have
a bad reputation
i have no idea why so i asked a simple
question
i didn’t like i didn’t want to go and
say like why are you guys complaining
about web designers
but i said okay this question is for
business owners
who did their own website could you
please let me know
why did you end up doing it yourself and
i was surprised 90
of the answers cited bad experience
so now i kind of know that somehow
within the business world web designers
have a reputation
and i’m on a mission to try and change
that
but i want to first understand where
does it come from like where does the
reputation what would
push a business owner to completely
not use a professional any professional
like doesn’t have to be me
you anybody like why why would you
go solo and try to do something
that is not your core you know like
you’re your plumber you’re a coach
you’re a
an accountant why are you going to spend
hours learning web design
just to do your own website instead of
focusing on your business and your
customers
yeah yeah it’s a difficult middle ground
i think even more so now especially with
covid going on like
people don’t have that extra extra
dollar to give out for stuff so people
are taking on those jobs but sometimes
your mentality could be worth more than
that money you give out to do it because
if you don’t know what you’re doing it
can be extremely stressful
when something needs to you need to get
it done yeah and you have a time
time limit when you use a expert
obviously they can
get it done within your time um but
like uh do you what would you say like
um
when it comes to like have you seen
a lot some people that are like ceos and
people turn themselves almost into web
designers and like be good at it
and yeah on some of those business
groups i’ve seen some coaches for
example who used to be
business coaches or like they’re not
necessarily
techies right but the experience that
they learned
during their journey building their own
website made them
switch to become web designers
themselves instead of
you know business coaches yeah so they
become either you know uh
web designers and web coaches
or still keep the business coaching part
but advise
their coaches more about you know how to
be more successful online and things
like that and
it’s a great thing if you’re up for it
like i’m not i’m not
trying to discourage people from
learning more
in fact like my stance is use a
professional when
when the professional is needed so there
are some
plumbing stuff like web plumbing stuff
underlying that too technical that is
really hard to do if you’re doing it for
the first time
and there’s the easy stuff such such as
writing your own blog
posts and finding you know the images
and trimming them and
putting everything on the page and
making it look good with the interface
that you’re given with wordpress or the
other tools
that’s so easy it doesn’t you don’t have
to be technical but the functionality
like
linking things together and getting
those
plugins to actually play nicely
and when somebody goes and fills the
form on your website you get an email
and
you know all these behind-the-scenes
stuff you don’t need to worry about it
yourself like that’s
it’s going to take you hours and you
know
if you’re not going to be doing this
as part of your business that’s going to
make you money there’s no point of
spending 30 40 hours
yeah doing it on your own yeah i think
gen
gen generally um it’s kind of almost
like a stereotype
with web designers and i don’t even
think it’s web designers alone i think
the average human being when it comes to
if they’re not techy
the techie people always come off like
they know everything
so so it’s it’s when you it’s it’s
almost like who you’re dealing with like
if with you
you’re a very personal guy you’re
likable so when i know people would love
to work with you you’d be
fun to work with you would listen to
their what they need for help
when you when the average person the
techie people they deal with is geek
squad
and geek squad comes to your house and
treats you like you’re an idiot
because it’s a problem they fix 50 times
a day yeah and you have no idea how to
fix it
i think that’s where the problem is is
this is just it’s an um
it’s a personality trait that it’s not
every one of them
or at all of course yeah we’re not
generalizing but yeah
i mean we’re not all introverts yeah not
all techies are introverts and
those those who are you know
sometimes they come across much nicer
than
you would expect if they’re given the
chance yeah uh but there are many people
who focus on the problem not on the
person
yeah like if you one of the courses i
used to teach before one
in my back in my technology teaching
days was
uh we used to teach help desk
professionals support
it support professionals to be more
personable
so that course was mostly soft skills
there was no technical
there were some terms in it but we don’t
teach them how to solve the problem
we teach them how to approach problem
solving so
you know focus on the person not the
problem like actually
hear what the person is telling you try
to rephrase it repeat it back to them
make sure that you got what they’re
saying
uh match you know kind of their
level of knowledge so so you’re not
trying to be like up there and
looking down at whatever the problem is
yeah
and then explain it as much as possible
now not everybody likes to have full
details
um i’m um i don’t know i can talk
forever about
something that i’m passionate about like
technology or soccer
but sometimes i find myself giving an
awful lot of details to a customer who’s
not interested
like just make it work don’t tell me how
you did it just
make it work but sometimes i feel it’s
my duty
to because you know they own the website
they
own the business it’s my duty to make
sure that
they have the information and not only
that but
if i’m hit by a bus tomorrow at least
they know what i’ve done on the website
so they can go and get someone to help
yeah instead of just like oh my web guy
disappeared on me
yeah and now i’m left high and dry and i
don’t know what to do
yeah and i feel like they there’s a lot
of them that
um like business owners that might hire
uh
the website developers and just expect
them to do the work with no information
given
yeah and then as soon as as soon as it’s
done they’re like that’s not what i
wanted and it’s just like they’re
i i like as a i’m editing a lot lately
and i can run
into that too where yeah if a person
it’s almost like
i while i’m editing yeah sometimes
you’ll get annoyed if there’s too much
input because you want to get creative
in your own way
but if there’s zero input they don’t
it’s like yeah just be creative that’s
more stressful
just many people think when they
outsource the website building part
yeah that the designer would
like make up the content for them like
find the images and
write the text and whatever but like you
are the
as a business owner you’re the best
person to pitch
you’re the best person to speak about
what you do you’re the best person who
knows what makes you unique
yeah why you started this business at
the first place right
the web designer no matter how good they
are they wouldn’t know that
yeah right so think of it as a picture
in a frame
if i’m building the frame for you that
you’re gonna put on the wall and put the
picture on it
in it right the picture itself comes
from you
my job is to find the best place for
that frame to be
and the best looking frame
you know in your room and set up or
whatever
but the photo or the picture that goes
in it it’s all up to you
yeah yeah that makes a lot of sense uh
and i feel
that it’s a lot of one or the other
where the person has too many
too many eggs in the basket they’re
going too heavily within or they’re just
stand off and expect everything to be
done with no yeah no no i
i don’t want like uh 40 pages of content
for a website that’s five pages
and i have to rummage through and find
out which piece of content goes where
yeah and i don’t want no content either
so i usually what i do is i
i would create like a shared folder
between me and the client
and inside the folder there are many
folders or subfolders
per page so one folder will be called
home page one
folder will be called contact us one
folder will be called
our services photo gallery
and then in there all what i want is the
images that you want on that page
if you have them if you don’t happy to
go around and find suitable images
there are so many like uh sites where
you can
buy images yeah i don’t normally like to
use stock images because we want to
keep the site unique but there are so
many
scenarios where you need them you know
you need stock images
so if you don’t have them that’s fine we
can find something
but usually if you have a few even if
you’re not sure where they go on the
page
just put them in that folder image is
not the issue
text is content is we can get
a copywriter but again the copywriter
would cost you
per word and they don’t know your
business the same way you do
yeah so even if you don’t know what to
write a tip for
every business owner record it on your
phone just talk
yeah pretend you’re talking to us
pretend you’re talking to somebody
pretend you’re pitching
uh in a networking event or to someone
you just met
in the supermarket yeah and who asks you
you know what do you do
and you’re telling them put this and
then put this
mp3 audio file in the folder and we’ll
figure it out
yeah they can they can make it work with
the words that might sound a little bit
more professional or whatever it is
yeah we can then get an editor to make
it you know more professional whatever
it is like
there are different services that can be
provided but the base has to be there
yeah yeah that’s very true