Online! The Podcast EP10: Self-care, Co-working & Keeping your Sanity

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Episode 10: Self-care, Co-working & Keeping your Sanity

With Kaylin Lactin & Erin Scarlett.

Online! The Podcast EP10: Self-care, Co-working & Keeping your Sanity

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Self-care, Co-working & Keeping your Sanity – Kaylin Lactin & Erin Scarlett.

EP 10:
Featuring 2 Young Entrepreneurs: Kaylin Lactin & Erin Scarlett. This episode is dedicated to Helping Solo Entrepreneurs! We discuss Co-working, and how to create healthy work habits, apply self-care to keep your Sanity during these tough COVID Times and of course, we also discuss Technology and Websites plus Wix and WordPress too.

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Table of Contents:
01:08 Start and Introductions
08:15 The Importance of self-care for productivity and mental health
10:15 Entrepreneurs can have a hard time setting boundaries to make themselves a priority
19:52 The Hustle Culture, a fight for productivity?
21:03 Co-working spaces to eliminate distractions
26:50 Entrepreneurs and DIY website design
32:10 Websites are living organisms
41:20 The fear of the blank page: Templates and layouts
46:25 Entrepreneurs need to focus on their customers, not just design
47:20 Keeping your peace of mind

Get in touch with Erin

Website: https://www.thefountainheadnetwork.com
FB: https://www.facebook.com/thefountainheadnetwork
LI: https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-fountainhead-network-coworking-media-space
IG: https://www.instagram.com/fountainheadnetwork

Get in touch with Kaylin

Website: https://www.flourishyourwings.com
IG: https://www.instagram.com/flourishyourwings

Get in touch with Amr:

Websites: https://humantalents.ca
https://amrselim.com
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Twitter: http://twitter.com/ibnselim

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Episode 10 Transcription:

 
Podcast EP10 -Erin and Kaylin 
Thu,¬†12/17¬†6:31PM¬†‚Äʬ†53:09¬†
SUMMARY KEYWORDS 
website, WordPress, people, Wix, business, templateS, co working space, divi, network, Coquitlam, 
work, selfcare, membership, Erin, Coffee, clients, hours 
SPEAKERS 
Announcer, Amr The Internet Guy, Kaylin Lactin, Erin Scarlett 
 
online with amor, the internet guy streaming today on your favorite podcast platforms. This podcast 
focuses on entrepreneurs and business owners helping them become more successful and conducting 
their business on the web without being stuck with technology. Hi, welcome to another episode of 
online.  
 
So¬†today¬†is¬†a¬†little¬†bit¬†different.¬†I’m¬†interviewing¬†two¬†entrepreneurs,¬†not¬†just¬†one.¬†And¬†this¬†specific¬†
episode is dedicated to solo business owners and entrepreneurs who have been working very hard. 
During¬†this¬†year¬†2020¬†was¬†like¬†no¬†other¬†and¬†the¬†challenges¬†that¬†we¬†all¬†faced¬†in¬†2020.¬†We’re¬†on¬†scene¬†
before.¬†So¬†in¬†this¬†specific¬†episode,¬†we¬†don’t¬†just¬†discuss¬†business¬†technology¬†and¬†websites.¬†But¬†we¬†also¬†
discuss co working self-care, setting boundaries and healthy habits for your success and keeping your 
sanity¬†during¬†this¬†year,¬†that¬†is¬†full¬†of¬†challenges.¬†So¬†without¬†further¬†ado,¬†let’s¬†meet¬†Kaylin¬†lactin.¬†And¬†Erin¬†
Scarlett.  Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of online I have with me, Erin Scarlett here and Kaylin 
Lactin. Hello. 
 
Hey, 
 
Hi.  
 
How’s¬†it¬†going?¬†¬†
 
Longtime no see 
 
Yeah, a couple of weeks. 
 
Five minutes. 
 
Yeah, five minutes. So kailyn I like the Hang on. Let me try. Remember, Flourish your wings branding. 
So I would like you to actually just introduce yourself and then tell the audience what you do. And what 
 
 
is¬†the¬†“Flourish¬†of¬†wings.”¬†
 
Okay,¬†well,¬†um,¬†yeah,¬†my¬†name¬†is¬†Kaylin¬†Lactin,¬†and¬†I’m¬†a¬†certified¬†life¬†coach.¬†Um,¬†
 
I¬†work¬†with¬†boundaries.¬†self¬†care,¬†literally¬†anything¬†life¬†kind¬†of¬†throws¬†at¬†you.¬†I’m¬†also¬†trauma¬†informed¬†
so¬†I¬†can¬†work¬†with¬†people¬†who’ve¬†experienced¬†trauma,¬†but¬†not¬†necessarily¬†are¬†inside¬†their¬†trauma¬†at¬†
that¬†moment.¬†Um,¬†and¬†in¬†about¬†a¬†year,¬†I’ll¬†also¬†be¬†a¬†sort¬†of,¬†like¬†a¬†registered¬†counselor,¬†as¬†well.¬†So¬†it’s,¬†
it’s¬†a¬†progress,¬†it’s¬†moving.¬†Um,¬†and¬†I’m¬†also¬†doing¬†workshops¬†and¬†on¬†self¬†care¬†and¬†artistic¬†expression.¬†
And,¬†and¬†I¬†am¬†an¬†artist,¬†so¬†I’m¬†offering¬†creative¬†practice,¬†in¬†my¬†practice,¬†which¬†is¬†a¬†different¬†version¬†of¬†
art¬†therapy,¬†and¬†because¬†I¬†don’t¬†call¬†myself¬†an¬†art¬†therapist,¬†but¬†I¬†will¬†include¬†our¬†in¬†side¬†our¬†session,¬†so.¬†
Yeah, and with flourish your wings. That came, like the logo itself, it just wings means freedom. Yeah, I 
thought a little bit more about it. And kind of it just it resonated with me. And so yeah, 
 
good. Yeah. It. Usually when you see the word wings, you either think of birds or travel. Yeah, now, we 
can’t¬†have¬†travels.¬†So¬†let’s¬†think¬†of¬†birds.¬†
 
Yeah, I 
 
recently¬†actually¬†just¬†updated¬†my¬†logo.¬†And¬†it¬†looks,¬†I¬†feel¬†like¬†it¬†looks¬†more¬†representative¬†of¬†who,¬†I’m¬†
what¬†I’m¬†wanting¬†to¬†bring¬†forward¬†in¬†my¬†practice¬†and¬†the¬†freedom¬†that¬†people¬†can¬†have¬†of,¬†you¬†know,¬†
their, to be able to change and to flourish and to just explore new things in life and to not be held back. 
So. 
 
Yeah. And you have a session coming up on self care, like, not this Saturday, the Saturday? Well, I 
don’t¬†know¬†what¬†what¬†did¬†with¬†that.¬†So¬†November¬†21st¬†Yeah,¬†thank¬†you.¬†Because¬†I¬†don’t¬†know¬†when¬†I’ll¬†
put this online. 
 
November 21. Sorry, November 21st 
 
So¬†what¬†self¬†care,¬†I’m¬†gonna¬†ask¬†you¬†in¬†like¬†510¬†minutes¬†of¬†what¬†self¬†care?¬†Okay,¬†let’s¬†just¬†get¬†Erinto¬†
introduce yourself as well. 
 
I’m¬†Erin.¬†I’m¬†the¬†co-owner¬†of¬†the¬†fountainhead¬†network¬†coworking¬†and¬†media¬†space.¬†
 
Where is that? 
 
Right next to Coquitlam center. 
 
It’s¬†a¬†family¬†run¬†startup¬†between¬†my¬†husband,¬†my¬†mom¬†and¬†I.¬†And¬†yeah,¬†it’s¬†it’s¬†basically¬†a¬†startup¬†to¬†
help other startups and entrepreneurs in the area.  We want, we want them to succeed we want 
especially¬†during¬†this¬†hard¬†time,¬†we¬†want¬†to¬†create¬†a¬†space¬†where¬†they¬†can¬†afford¬†where¬†they¬†don’t¬†have¬†
to buy hydro pay for hydro, you know, have all the resources available for them. That gives them we 
can give them a free business address, free business address? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
A¬†business¬†address,¬†it’s¬†not¬†free¬†but¬†yeah¬†its¬†a¬†business¬†address¬†Yea¬†you¬†meant¬†virtual¬†right,¬†coz.¬†
there’s¬†like¬†a¬†virtual¬†membership.¬†
 
Yes,¬†we¬†have¬†we¬†have¬†types¬†of¬†memberships.¬†Yeah,¬†we¬†have¬†free¬†virtual¬†network¬†access.¬†And¬†we’re¬†
actually  
 
And¬†that’s¬†just¬†for¬†networking¬†¬†
 
Yes. Okay, just for networking. 
 
And then the next one is a virtual membership? 
 
Yes,¬†we¬†have¬†a¬†virtual¬†membership¬†as¬†well,¬†that¬†one’s¬†$25¬†a¬†month.¬†And¬†that¬†actually¬†gives¬†you¬†one¬†
free day, pass a month as well. So you can  
 
come and work from here 
 
and work from here. And that basically the same price as a day pass would be anyway. But then you 
have an official TFN membership and profile here. So and that gives you networking and promotion as 
well.¬†So¬†we¬†do¬†remember¬†back¬†to¬†Monday’s,¬†and¬†yeah,¬†
 
Nice. And this is where we are guys like this. We are. 
 
We are in the podcast studio 
 
studio?¬†studio,¬†there’s¬†a¬†big¬†meeting¬†room.¬†I¬†think¬†there¬†might¬†be¬†another¬†smaller¬†meeting¬†room¬†coming¬†
up at some point.  
 
Yes,¬†I¬†hink¬†we’re¬†gonna¬†introduce¬†another¬†meeting¬†room.¬†We’re¬†leaving¬†it¬†open¬†for¬†private¬†office¬†for¬†
COVID. But the members here I think are really enjoying the open layout. Um, with Yeah, hot desks 
have been have been doing really well for us. And I think everybody still likes to have a safe, safe 
space. 
 
There’s¬†a¬†couple¬†of¬†new¬†couches¬†for¬†those¬†of¬†you¬†who¬†are¬†doing¬†like¬†the¬†the¬†most¬†expensive¬†one¬†that¬†
has¬†unlimited!¬†So¬†you¬†can¬†live¬†here¬†you¬†know,¬†there’s¬†no¬†shower!¬†
 
No stinky people. 
 
And¬†yeah,¬†the¬†cities¬†of¬†Port¬†Coquitlam¬†and¬†Coquitlam¬†can’t¬†make¬†up¬†the¬†mind¬†if¬†West¬†Westwood¬†street¬†
is¬†Coquitlam¬†or¬†POCO.¬†So,¬†so¬†sometimes¬†you¬†can¬†say¬†we’re¬†in¬†Coquitlam¬†or¬†we’re¬†in¬†POCO¬†depends.¬†
 
Yeah, it depends on how you search us. If you search by our postal code, we are Port coquitlam. But if 
 
 
 
 
 
you¬†search¬†us¬†by¬†our¬†address,¬†Google¬†will¬†tell¬†you¬†we’re¬†in¬†Coquitlam!¬†
 
or maybe if you use the front entrance here in Coquitlam. And then if you use the dedicated back 
entrance¬†you’re¬†in¬†poco.¬†So¬†yeah,¬†it’s¬†a¬†great¬†place,¬†actually,¬†you¬†know,¬†to¬†work¬†kid¬†free!¬†So¬†for¬†those¬†of¬†
you¬†who¬†are¬†like¬†me¬†work¬†from¬†home,¬†most¬†of¬†the¬†time,¬†when¬†your¬†kids¬†have,¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†a¬†day¬†off¬†
from school, and they want to be making noise at the house. Or when you have meetings or you want 
to¬†record¬†the¬†podcast¬†or¬†you¬†know,¬†zoom¬†from¬†a¬†place¬†that¬†is¬†quieter¬†and¬†nicer.¬†Come¬†over¬†here.¬†You’ll¬†
love¬†it.¬†There’s¬†a¬†big¬†kitchen¬†as¬†well,¬†which¬†is¬†one¬†of¬†the¬†features.¬†It’s¬†a¬†huge¬†kitchen¬†so¬†we¬†can¬†sit¬†and¬†
eat¬†and¬†watch¬†TV¬†if¬†you¬†like.¬†Donairs¬†from¬†uncle¬†Moe’s¬†have¬†donairs¬†downstairs,¬†which¬†is¬†what¬†we’re¬†
gonna¬†do¬†right¬†after¬†what¬†I’m¬†gonna¬†do.¬†We¬†should¬†have¬†brought¬†in¬†the¬†pizza¬†&¬†called¬†pizza¬†and¬†
podcast. The table is big enough.  
 
It¬†is.¬†Yeah,¬†actually,¬†that’s¬†something¬†our¬†producer¬†Mike¬†has¬†had¬†lined¬†up¬†a¬†few¬†times.¬†But¬†
 
yeah, pizza and podcast. PNP PNP.  So perfect. This brings me back to self care. Because I forgot to 
have lunch today. Am I doing bad in my self care? 
 
self care is unique to everyone. And nutritional blys I myself is something that I struggle with. And food 
isn’t¬†a¬†central¬†part.¬†It’s¬†our¬†nourishment.¬†It’s¬†it¬†gives¬†us¬†energy.¬†And¬†it¬†provides¬†a¬†substance¬†to¬†get¬†us¬†
through¬†our¬†day.¬†And¬†everyone’s¬†body¬†and¬†metabolism¬†is¬†so¬†different.¬†And¬†so¬†if¬†you¬†had¬†a¬†late¬†
breakfast,¬†you¬†could¬†have¬†a¬†late¬†lunch,¬†or¬†it¬†depends¬†on¬†you.¬†Right?¬†So¬†if¬†you¬†are¬†like¬†diabetic¬†or¬†there’s¬†
some¬†health¬†issues,¬†then¬†I¬†wouldn’t¬†recommend¬†like¬†missing¬†a¬†meal.¬†But¬†if¬†it’s¬†something¬†that¬†works¬†for¬†
you,¬†then¬†that’s¬†what¬†works¬†for¬†you.¬†And¬†that’s¬†something¬†that¬†I¬†really¬†try¬†to¬†like¬†say,¬†especially¬†in¬†my¬†
Instagram, or Facebook page is that everyone is unique and everyone is different and everyone 
practices¬†self¬†care¬†in¬†their¬†own¬†way,¬†whether¬†that’s¬†binge¬†watching¬†a¬†show¬†on¬†Netflix,¬†or¬†that’s¬†going¬†for¬†
a¬†walk¬†in¬†nature,¬†everyone’s¬†different.¬†
 
Yeah,¬†so¬†I’m¬†laughing¬†because¬†this¬†is¬†why¬†my¬†my¬†wife¬†usually¬†tells¬†me¬†off¬†for¬†binge¬†watching¬†but¬†that’s¬†
my sometimes my get away from all these pressures of work in life in general. I just like sit and watch 
one¬†of¬†my¬†favorite¬†shows¬†and¬†before¬†you¬†know¬†it,¬†you’ve¬†watched¬†four¬†episodes¬†and¬†it’s¬†too¬†late.¬†
 
Yeah,¬†Netflix¬†I’m¬†reading¬†is¬†good¬†for¬†just¬†a¬†little¬†bit¬†of¬†escapism,¬†right?¬†Yeah.¬†
 
Yes.¬†And¬†and¬†that¬†The¬†thing¬†it’s¬†turning¬†off¬†that¬†your¬†mind,¬†and¬†what¬†helps¬†you¬†rejuvenate,¬†and¬†to¬†be¬†a¬†
great part to be a great, you, 
 
what¬†can¬†we¬†do¬†to¬†raise¬†the¬†awareness¬†about¬†this¬†because,¬†you¬†know,¬†being¬†a¬†sole¬†entrepreneur,¬†I’m¬†
kind of assuming that almost every sole entrepreneur goes through the same thing like sometimes. 
Now with COVID, and most people are forced to work from home, the lines between work and personal 
life have been blurred. So what, like, how can we bring it to the forefront? People? 
 
That’s¬†a¬†great¬†question.¬†Um,¬†and¬†that’s¬†something¬†I’m¬†going¬†to¬†focus¬†on¬†also¬†with¬†the¬†link¬†and¬†learn¬†that¬†
I’m¬†doing¬†in¬†the¬†next¬†couple¬†of¬†weeks.¬†And¬†it’s,¬†and¬†it’s¬†really¬†something¬†I’m¬†wanting¬†to,¬†to¬†really¬†put¬†out¬†
 
 
 
 
 
there is creating boundaries for yourself. And when you create these boundaries between your work 
and¬†your¬†personal¬†life,¬†it¬†really¬†helps¬†you¬†don’t¬†get¬†engulfed¬†by¬†it.¬†And¬†so¬†if¬†your¬†office¬†space¬†is¬†your¬†
house,¬†create¬†a¬†small¬†area¬†in¬†your¬†place¬†that¬†is¬†just¬†your¬†wellness¬†area,¬†whether¬†that’s¬†you¬†make¬†
yourself¬†a¬†little,¬†whether¬†you’re¬†spiritual,¬†you¬†can¬†make¬†yourself¬†a¬†little¬†altar,¬†where¬†you¬†can¬†just¬†go¬†and¬†
meditate in front of to help, you know, clear some of that energy, or you do can do ecotherapy, which is 
going¬†outside¬†and¬†enjoying¬†the¬†nature.¬†I¬†know¬†it’s¬†getting¬†a¬†little¬†bit¬†cooler,¬†and¬†
 
we¬†shouldn’t¬†be¬†complaining¬†
 
weathers you know, not so great, but at the same time, go put on some rain boots and 
 
dance¬†on¬†the¬†pedal.¬†But¬†it’s¬†also¬†about¬†perspective,¬†too,¬†right?¬†So¬†I¬†mean,¬†some¬†days¬†I¬†go¬†for¬†a¬†walk¬†in¬†
the¬†rain,¬†and¬†my¬†whole¬†body¬†is¬†tense¬†because¬†it’s¬†cold¬†and¬†the¬†rain¬†is¬†just¬†like¬†hitting¬†me¬†and¬†then¬†my¬†
jaws¬†clenched.¬†And¬†but¬†it’s¬†the¬†other¬†day¬†I¬†kind¬†of¬†gave¬†myself¬†perspective¬†and¬†like,¬†you¬†know¬†what¬†the¬†
spring could be refreshing. And I took off my head. And I was listening music, and then I just you know, 
accepted¬†the¬†rain.¬†Okay,¬†and¬†it’s¬†all¬†perspective¬†is¬†a¬†huge¬†part¬†of¬†it,¬†too.¬†Right?¬†
 
Yeah. Or just throwing on some cozy pajamas. Getting cuddly, cuddly underneath a blanket and 
reading a good book that completely shut off your mind. 
 
Yeah,¬†so¬†it’s¬†kind¬†of¬†like¬†you¬†got¬†to¬†make¬†a¬†habit¬†of¬†looking¬†after¬†yourself.¬†Yeah,¬†it¬†doesn’t¬†matter.¬†Like¬†
we¬†can’t¬†tell¬†people¬†exactly¬†what¬†to¬†do.¬†Because¬†every¬†person¬†is¬†different.¬†And¬†but¬†make¬†a¬†habit¬†to¬†take¬†
some time during your day, every day. And try not to change that time as well. Like Put it in your 
calendar, create a 
 
create a self care routine for yourself where you know, you do shut off your media, social media, your 
phone for the news. 
 
We¬†don’t¬†Yeah,¬†especially¬†we¬†don’t¬†want¬†to¬†know¬†about¬†Trump¬†or¬†COVID¬†anymore¬†enough.¬†Need¬†
something¬†new?¬†I¬†don’t¬†know¬†new¬†music¬†releases¬†or¬†something¬†happy.¬†
 
I¬†don’t¬†watch¬†the¬†news¬†in¬†the¬†morning¬†anymore.¬†A¬†lot¬†of¬†anxiety¬†and¬†unknown.¬†So¬†now¬†I¬†you¬†know,¬†I’ll¬†
play¬†a¬†game¬†or¬†I’ll¬†do¬†something¬†that¬†comes¬†complete¬†opposite¬†of¬†what¬†the¬†news¬†Yeah,¬†something¬†
bright, something joyful. And that allows me to rejuvenate for the day. 
 
I tell you what I read about and it actually is true, but I cannot get myself to do it. I mean, sometimes I 
do¬†is¬†they¬†always¬†say¬†don’t¬†read¬†your¬†emails.¬†First¬†thing,¬†like,¬†you¬†know,¬†like¬†don’t,¬†I¬†used¬†to¬†kind¬†of¬†
wake¬†up,¬†right¬†I¬†have¬†the¬†phone¬†in¬†the¬†in¬†the¬†bedroom,¬†but¬†it’s¬†not¬†on¬†because¬†I¬†don’t¬†want¬†the¬†noise¬†and¬†
you know, the radiation or whatever. But the moment I just opened my eyes before just getting out of 
bed I used to just switch my phone on. And I would be telling myself, just have a quick look at my email. 
It¬†doesn’t¬†work.¬†You¬†read¬†something¬†in¬†your¬†email¬†that¬†needs¬†a¬†response,¬†your¬†mind¬†will¬†start¬†thinking¬†
about¬†the¬†response.¬†And¬†then¬†before¬†you¬†know¬†it,¬†you’re¬†responding¬†to¬†one¬†email¬†then¬†another¬†than¬†
another¬†and¬†here’s¬†goes¬†one¬†hour,¬†you’re¬†on¬†your¬†phone¬†in¬†your¬†bed,¬†you¬†haven’t¬†even¬†got¬†up¬†to¬†Go¬†
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
here¬†but¬†it’s¬†going¬†to¬†be¬†one¬†of¬†the¬†best¬†sites¬†that¬†I’ve¬†ever¬†seen¬†on¬†Wix¬†because¬†usually¬†just¬†kind¬†of¬†
science¬†that¬†I¬†see¬†on¬†Wix.¬†They¬†look¬†like¬†you’ve¬†given¬†your¬†website¬†to¬†your¬†kids¬†to¬†play¬†with.¬†And¬†they¬†
just¬†throw¬†in¬†some¬†pictures¬†and¬†some¬†text¬†that¬†doesn’t¬†have¬†any¬†relation¬†to¬†anything.¬†And¬†I’ve¬†seen¬†a¬†
few¬†websites¬†that¬†look¬†good.¬†That¬†don’t¬†look¬†like¬†as¬†childish¬†as¬†that¬†but¬†I¬†haven’t¬†seen¬†a¬†website¬†that¬†
looked businessy and corporate IT ON Wix more than like our website here to Fountainhead 
network.com¬†so¬†thank¬†you¬†for¬†the¬†100¬†hours¬†I¬†think¬†it’s¬†more¬†like¬†now¬†that¬†like¬†the¬†$100¬†But¬†I¬†don’t¬†think¬†
you have another 100 hours to do. 
 
I¬†didn’t¬†count¬†in¬†the¬†hours¬†from¬†the¬†other¬†day.¬†
 
yesterday or the day before. 
 
I seriously thought she did pay someone to create her website. Yeah, 
 
she¬†paid¬†Erin.¬†Yeah,¬†she’s¬†
 
being self employed. 
 
Good¬†thing¬†that¬†you’re¬†not.¬†It’s¬†a¬†good¬†thing,¬†but¬†you’re¬†not¬†the¬†counselor¬†who’s¬†our¬†is¬†like,¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†
$100¬†an¬†hour.¬†But¬†something¬†because¬†if¬†you¬†calculate¬†that¬†your¬†website¬†would¬†have¬†cost,¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†
like a zillion 10 case, maybe I think it will be 10 K or more, 
 
I¬†don’t¬†think¬†it¬†would¬†be¬†worth¬†it.¬†
 
Like,¬†if¬†you¬†hired¬†someone¬†to¬†do¬†it,¬†they¬†wouldn’t¬†have¬†charged¬†you¬†that¬†10¬†K,¬†like,¬†he¬†probably¬†would¬†
have paid between three and five K, and got to the same result that you have right now. Without the 
pain, but the good gain is the learning experience. Because I think with you as a business owner doing 
it¬†yourself,¬†you’re¬†not¬†only¬†learned¬†about¬†how¬†to¬†use¬†Wix,¬†but¬†you¬†learn¬†about¬†marketing¬†online,¬†
generally,¬†like¬†all¬†the¬†ins¬†and¬†outs¬†and¬†how¬†to,¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†link¬†your¬†pages¬†to¬†be¬†shared¬†on¬†social¬†
media,¬†how¬†to¬†integrate¬†something¬†like¬†your¬†mailing¬†program¬†like¬†MailChimp,¬†or¬†whatever¬†you’re¬†using?¬†
 
Yeah, you really are you actually have I feel like when you are designing a website, you need to have 
marketing experience, like you need to have you need to know what buttons will make people want to 
click, you know, to go further into your site and how to make it inside in enticing enough to where, you 
know,¬†you’re¬†you’re¬†focusing¬†on¬†the¬†needs¬†of¬†your¬†your¬†clients¬†and¬†everything,¬†right,¬†where¬†you’re¬†not¬†
just¬†trying¬†to¬†sell¬†your¬†product,¬†you’re¬†trying¬†to¬†aim¬†at¬†what¬†they¬†need,¬†right?¬†So¬†it’s¬†it’s¬†developing¬†
website is even more than just being techie. Right? You have to have you have to have you have to 
know what your clients want, as well. Right, especially and what makes them comfortable using your 
website and to learn about your products, as well. So 
 
yeah,¬†yeah,¬†so¬†I¬†feel¬†like¬†there’s¬†a,¬†you¬†know,¬†that¬†this¬†is¬†the¬†other¬†thing¬†that¬†we’ve¬†discussed¬†in¬†Episode¬†
Six, Andrea Nye is the back end and the front end. So the best way, the best approach is just you can 
give that back end to a professional. back end, by back end, I mean, the hosting configuration, like you 
 
 
 
 
 
go¬†and¬†buy¬†hosting¬†from¬†let’s¬†say,¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†siteground,¬†for¬†example,¬†you’re¬†paying¬†$14¬†99¬†a¬†month,¬†
right? But you brought in your website, and you started playing with it, and you installed WordPress, 
and¬†you¬†started¬†the¬†design,¬†and¬†it’s¬†looking¬†good.¬†But¬†you¬†haven’t¬†actually¬†looked¬†if¬†that¬†hosting¬†
environment is properly configured for speed, security. And these are not things that you want to play 
with,¬†like,¬†if¬†you¬†get¬†it¬†wrong,¬†you’ll¬†be¬†hacked,¬†or¬†your¬†websites¬†will¬†be¬†too¬†slow.¬†Like¬†you¬†don’t¬†want¬†to¬†
spend your time playing with this, just give this to a professional, let them look at your configuration of 
the hosting, and your WordPress itself like with you know, have a proper security plug in there. Do not 
use the username administrator ever, or admin, or your own name, you know, think of it this way 
security wise, if somebody is trying to hack your website, they need to have two things, a username 
and¬†a¬†password.¬†Don’t¬†give¬†them¬†one¬†of¬†the¬†two.¬†It’s¬†as¬†simple¬†as¬†that¬†don’t¬†make¬†the¬†user¬†name¬†your¬†
name,¬†or¬†your¬†business¬†name,¬†or¬†admin.¬†Just,¬†you¬†know,¬†choose¬†like¬†whatever.¬†Like¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†I¬†don’t¬†
want¬†to¬†say¬†mine¬†because¬†people¬†will¬†know¬†but¬†but¬†it’s¬†not¬†amor¬†and¬†it’s¬†not¬†admin.¬†That¬†that’s¬†what¬†I’m¬†
trying¬†to¬†say.¬†Right?¬†So¬†at¬†least¬†make¬†it¬†harder,¬†like¬†a¬†password¬†that’s¬†complex,¬†and¬†it’s¬†hard¬†to¬†break¬†or¬†
guess¬†not¬†your¬†kid’s¬†birthday¬†or¬†your¬†dog’s¬†name.¬†And¬†I¬†know¬†both¬†by¬†the¬†way.¬†
 
Thank you, everybody. 
 
And, yeah, so so this is the part that like you kind of let someone else take care so that you can focus 
on serving your customers online on finding out, you know, if I put this membership package, like 
proman in a prominent space on my homepage, would that be better than actually it being hidden? In 
an¬†inside¬†page?¬†That’s¬†called¬†packages?¬†You¬†know,¬†or¬†what¬†do¬†I¬†put¬†on¬†my¬†like,¬†what¬†call¬†to¬†action¬†
would¬†I¬†put¬†on¬†my¬†I¬†don’t¬†know¬†why¬†they¬†call¬†it¬†the¬†hero¬†area.¬†I¬†learned¬†it¬†like¬†this¬†when¬†I¬†studied¬†design,¬†
which is like a big header, like the main nice area before you scroll down. which usually has like a nice 
image,¬†some¬†text¬†and¬†a¬†button¬†to¬†click¬†the¬†hero.¬†I¬†don’t¬†know¬†maybe¬†is¬†the¬†hero¬†area¬†of¬†the¬†website.¬†
probably need to ask another web designer. Josh, it would be a question to my good old friend Joshua. 
Um,¬†but¬†yeah,¬†so¬†you¬†put¬†like¬†so¬†things¬†like¬†that.¬†Making¬†sure¬†that¬†if¬†you’re¬†drawing¬†traffic¬†to¬†your¬†
website,¬†the¬†website¬†is¬†ready¬†for¬†IT¬†infrastructure¬†wise,¬†like¬†it’s¬†on¬†a¬†fast¬†hosting,¬†it¬†reacts¬†quickly,¬†it¬†
doesn’t¬†take¬†forever,¬†you¬†know,¬†to¬†load.¬†And¬†if¬†there’s¬†many¬†people¬†on¬†the¬†website¬†at¬†the¬†same¬†time,¬†it’s¬†
not¬†going¬†to¬†break.¬†So¬†you’re¬†not¬†on¬†one¬†of¬†those,¬†like,¬†make¬†a¬†cheap¬†199¬†hosting¬†packages.¬†And¬†the¬†
other¬†part¬†is¬†making¬†sure¬†it¬†converts.¬†So¬†there’s¬†a¬†place¬†for¬†them¬†to¬†take¬†action,¬†they¬†can¬†click,¬†they¬†can¬†
give¬†you¬†their¬†email,¬†then¬†maybe¬†they¬†want¬†to¬†download,¬†you¬†know,¬†I¬†don’t¬†know,¬†like¬†something¬†from¬†
the website. Or maybe they want to check out maybe they want to book for for Erin, for example, 
maybe¬†they¬†want¬†to¬†book¬†a¬†tour,¬†they¬†want¬†to¬†come¬†and¬†see¬†the¬†place.¬†And¬†with¬†COVID,¬†you¬†can’t¬†have¬†
everyone coming at the same time. So give them time slots. So there must be a calendar there that you 
know, things like that, instead of worrying about how do I update this plugin, there is auto update, of 
course,¬†like¬†you¬†can¬†with¬†WordPress,¬†you¬†know¬†you¬†I’m¬†going¬†to¬†be¬†shooting¬†myself¬†in¬†the¬†foot¬†because¬†
also¬†people¬†hire¬†professional¬†to¬†take¬†care¬†of¬†the¬†backend.¬†And¬†and¬†it’s¬†true¬†because¬†it’s¬†a¬†business¬†
when¬†you’re¬†running¬†a¬†business.¬†If¬†it’s¬†a¬†personal¬†website,¬†put¬†it¬†on¬†auto¬†everything¬†all¬†the¬†time¬†and¬†let¬†it¬†
be right. But what happens sometimes WordPress would have an update. And then some of the plugins 
that¬†you’re¬†using,¬†the¬†plugin¬†maker¬†didn’t¬†yet¬†make¬†an¬†update¬†to¬†work¬†with¬†the¬†new¬†WordPress¬†version.¬†
So¬†things¬†break.¬†Right.¬†So¬†that’s¬†why¬†we¬†say¬†hire¬†professional,¬†we¬†know¬†how¬†to¬†get¬†around¬†these¬†
things. We know how to update a few bits and pieces and leave one because if you update that specific 
one, it might break the look and feel of the site and we know where to go and you know how to contact 
 
 
 
 
 
the¬†plugin¬†maker¬†and¬†say¬†like,¬†Hey,¬†you¬†know¬†where¬†we’re¬†using¬†the¬†latest¬†WordPress¬†and¬†Divi¬†but¬†your¬†
plugin¬†is¬†not¬†keeping¬†up.¬†What’s¬†your¬†advice?¬†Is¬†there¬†like¬†a¬†piece¬†of¬†code¬†that¬†you¬†you¬†know,¬†until¬†you¬†
release¬†your¬†own¬†update¬†for¬†something¬†like¬†that,¬†you¬†don’t¬†want¬†to¬†be¬†wasting¬†time¬†with¬†that¬†you¬†want¬†to¬†
be wasting, not wasting, but spending the time on the front end part making things work for your clients. 
So I mean, with that, I have to say thank you very much. And we have to actually do a little bit of self 
care. So you know, have our lunch today or 
 
tries to drink our beer and go somewhere. 
 
But¬†yeah,¬†pizza¬†and¬†a¬†beer.¬†So¬†thank¬†you¬†for¬†being¬†here.¬†I’m¬†going¬†to¬†put¬†the¬†links¬†to¬†both¬†websites¬†
underneath, you know in the notes in the Episode Notes. 
 
Thanks, Amr. 
 
Thank you so much. Be a guest on your podcast. And it was it was fantastic. And as my now sort of first 
podcast was Yeah, making me a natural 
 
I¬†agree.¬†We’re¬†all¬†naturals¬†here.¬†You¬†have¬†a¬†great¬†day,¬†guys.¬†

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